Monday, September 13, 2010

The derbfine

maic indicates the Derbfine or 4 th generation of decent.

the great grandfather, the grandfather, the father and the son.
or better put the father the son, the grandson and the great grandson.

These constitute a derbfine linage all called by the name of the original father ie: Rudraige [ruith rey or ree].
with the coming of a 5th generation a new derbfine is formed the maic Rosa for this line.

These generations were based on a 1/4th ,a quarter of a century, 25 years.

The age of 25 is the age of inheritance where a man may become king and has entitlements to his share of property and title.
He is also entitled to marry a wife.

The fine reamains a unit containing all the children of the original father through the great grandchildren-- the 4th derb generation and from these any one of these might be chosen by the fine as the spokesman and leader.

with the 5th generation a new sept is born and new name given new land assigned as well as title and name.

The dispositon still not clear in the sense of promogenature as to whether the eldest great grand great grandchild recieves from the derbfine of Rudraighe or not.

Probably it does as the death[ Breath Crossing] at a century would have taken at least 3 of the previous generations and the last the father of the new fine,
now the clann called Rosa.

The pattern continues down through each century ideal of the family the 4 generations holding the land the title and the name and usually being buried in the same plot of ground or grave space for all.

These bodies were usually creamated in pagan BC days and placed in a designated circular spot now known as the stone circles.

Each stone designting a derbfine of the same fine over the centuries.

This can be proven one way or the other by carbon dating the stones as some would be much older than the last.

These stone circles were carefully placed apparently in position realtive to a larger center circle based on quarters and degrees.

They are not oriented to sun or moon risings and setting but to a more universal time spiral.

The burial places were constant over centuries for each derbfein and have the importance of knowing which tuath and which ancestors you came from.

This guranteed you a place of rest when you died.
Plots were not sold.
The fine took the body of their own deceased to there own family burial plot where the original tribal ancestor was buried and hence all had rest.

With Christainity came the dispruption of the ancient centuries old burial process whereby bodys were placed in church yards of monaatarys not the old circle plots.

This system, which also required elongated coffin beds did not guarantee both sisters mother fathers and unborn of the ancestor any space in this burial ground, and of course some did not want it .

Members of the church did have security of burial but without past ancesto rsites containing child ,mother, father, brother, sister by placement.

However the Irish did manage to hold territorial rights to their Abbeys and monestarys, and hereditary posts to abbacys and bishoprics from the fine which had given the land and the buildings the church had from the time of St Patrick,
432 AD.
Hence throughout Ireland today many church graveyards still contain a grave plot in which 4 generations of a family are laid to rest.

The original father, a christain, his wife, his sons, his sons wife his grandson and his graddsons wife.

The derbfine of great grandson is lost usually and the monastery and abbeys contain large strips of breathern buried singly all in laid out fashion, in a coffin, with no one with them, and hardly any identified as a son of or a family name.

As Blogger image does not work well for any consistant geno table, it is difficult to display a time line for the particular fine at hand, that of Cieran Clauna ,going back to his 2775 years before ancestry of the king Rudraige.

A new maic, by the founding of Cluana mac Nois by Ciaran mac Noise about 550 AD [100 years befoe Coluimcille founded Doire Abbey according to google].

Using the quarter rule per geneation we count the derbfein completed for

Rudraige to Maic Bolg gain ,a milisian king, covering
2700 years.
75 added to this for the macs Beodoin, Nois and Ciaran
2775
-550 Ad
2225 BC the date of the reign of Ruidraige [rudray]

As the Mili under Golam came about 1400 BC:

2225 BC
1400 Bc
825 years before the coming of the army from Gallicia, Spain.

Where Newgrange has been carbon dated at:
3500 BC
-2225 BC
1275 Elapsed from the Building of Bru na Boinne till the Reign of RR.


The place was allegedly used by the Dagda, a Danna champion from the battle of Tailtain at which the Danann general Nuada lost his arm and also used as a house of love by his son the god of love, Aengus.

History places the Danann tuath in Irleand for only short period of time but they were apparently there using this white limestone contruction for ligitiamte purposes some 200o years, almost, before this later day Danann King Ruidraige putting the Irish back another 2000 years in possession of this little island garden.


eire means his garden as she well was.

Judi Donnelly
copyright 12 September 2010

Sourse:
ANECDOTA OXONIENSIA #5, Lives of Saints, from book of Lismore, translated Whitley Stokes, D.C.L, Oxford Clarendon Press, 1890

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